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This is incorrect, its a traumcentric system bot and app, but it is endo neutral.
Its just made with a focus on trauma, its all on the discord.
Do your research.
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A response, i guess
Alright so I saw this pretty shit post recently, and I cant help but say I'm a little pissed. I will not be sharing the name of the blog that posted this, as i do not wish for them to be harassed.
So here's my response.
An open letter to you who wrote this.
"Hating endos is lame, hate on us instead ! We’re a DID system that believes people shouldn’t have to have their own entry in the DSM5 to be respected , apparently a controversial opinion these days !"
So though i agree in part that hate is lame as all hell, i do believe that listening to science is more punk than throwing it out the window. Yes system diversity is important as a working point in the community, it is still important to listen to the science.
Though some may not fit the diagnostics 100% doesn't mean they aren't valid that is true, but even so, there have been no scientifically supported exception to one. trauma is a necessary part, and the mind cannot and will not fracture like this without it, that should be without dispute.
"Being unapologetically plural is punk, ESPECIALLY if you don’t fit the “scientific” idea of what a real system should be."
You are right that science is not all inclusive, but i will say being anti science seems pretty conservative for a self proclaimed punk. but asides from cheap digs like that, id really recommend reading a couple scholarly articles if you are ever in doubt of the science, there is a lot to learn, and a lot left to be learnt.
"Systems should support other systems regardless of where we come from. The world doesn’t understand us and they don’t want to have to understand us, if we want to have a future where we are proudly and loudly ourselves we have to work together to make it."
Yes systems should absolutely support each other, and i do feel we fight too much sometimes. And no. the world does not understand us, but that does not mean it is ok to spread misinformation. Im sure you do this with good intention, and i too do my part with good intention. but we are fundamentally opposed, and i do not wish to support endos in a journey for recognition.
Some may genuinely have it, i do believe that, and others may be suffering from something else, so similar it may be difficult to know the difference, but i do not believe that they can be systems without trauma.
"I have to fight to be accepted as gay, i have to fight to be accepted as polyamorous, I have to fight to be accepted as trans, I have to fight to be accepted as non human, I have to fight to be accepted as autistic, I have to fight to be accepted as plural."
A lot of us have fought those same battles, i at least have, and a lot of systems still fight for this, and i do not believe that it should be a thing everyone goes through. And we still fight to accept ourselves in this, But i do not support endos fight for recognition. But i will fight with all i have to get them the help they need, because a lot of them do desperately need help. and i think that the fight to give them a support system and help is much more punk than this fight to support misinformation.
"I do not want anyone to have to fight me to be accepted as who they are, I want to fight alongside them because we’re fighting the exact same battle and it’s hard enough without us stabbing each other in the backs."
There is absolutely too much backstabbing in these communities. And i am willing to fight here alone to get them help, im not saying here that they aren't systems, some may very well be and have forgotten the trauma, but i do not wish to stand beside them in a fight against science. Im sure we'll all know more in the future with more studies made, and maybe itll turn the view on systems upside down, but until then i stand with the science, and with those that want and need help.
I do though want to mention lastly that as per the dsm-5 trauma is not noted as a criteria for diagnosis, and thus i am open to read articles of exception to this rule if they can be provided from credible sources.
I will also ask that if ever i said something incorrect i hope youll tell me and ill do my best to make amends. Please do also feel free to share your opinion, id like to hear more perspectives, and learn the faults of my own.
Well wishes.
-Kody, and a very tired system
I seriously need endos to fuck the hell off, what i go through daily isn't fun quirky little game you can decide to play, it is a fucking trauma response and i actually have to waste tons of my energy not to cause any more unreversible damage to the other alters. Having other people in your head isn't fucking funny, they're not just "friends you can have inside jokes with". It's tiring. It's debilitating. It's not knowing what will happen when you're not in front. Is having the others getting potentially exposed to danger and being unable to do anything to protect yourself and/or the body. It's others hating you for doing exactly what you were formed to do. The shame, the guilt, the self hate you constantly have to carry around that came after years and years of terrible trauma. It can sometimes be fun but the main point is it's a fucking disorder. I can't stand you guys fucking de-medicalising it so that you can enjoy a fake ass romanticised version of it. I hope my traumas hit you all at once. I hope you split a pre self-consciousness me. I wish all the worst to y'all
reminder that a group of people with mostly harmless, non-religious opinions are not comparable to a cult!! especially when some of the people in said group are cult survivors or have other forms of religious trauma!! anti-endos are not “forcing” people to join them, they’re simply stating a group with different opinions are wrong and causing harm to a community
second reminder: EVERYONE IS ENTITLED TO THEIR OWN OPINIONS AND OBVIOUSLY NOT EVERYONE IS GOING TO AGREE WITH EACHOTHER, DONT CALL ANYONE—TRAUMATISED OR NOT—THAT THEIR OPINION IS “cult behavior”!! AND YOU WONDER WHY PEOPLE DISAGREE WITH YALL??
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Would really love if people could stop alluding to anti endos as being a cult when it’s full of legitimate cult survivors, thanks!
ok, i dont want to do another lets unpack so imma just say my side on the anti endo/pro endo
i want to be neutral because i agree (and disagree) with points from both. example, i agree that endos can be real systems and that trauma isn’t always the cause, i also agree that it’s not other people’s place to faleclaim systems and that asking ab system’s trauma is NEVER ok in any scenario. on the anti-endo side i agree that some endos are actively causing harm, spreading misinformation, taking resources that aren’t meant for them.
i would just as easily turn on an anti-endo post as i would a pro-endo post. i do not agree with pointless hate and making people feel uncomfortable in their own communities. that’s the part i dislike most ab anti-endos, it’s a lot of pointless hate (yeah that may be a tad hypocritical but i digress).
i’m not going to go back on my post but i can say that you’re right, the inclusive tags shouldn’t have anti-endos in it spreading hate and it is 100% not their place to do so.
when i said some endos are valid i mean the endos who aren’t fetishising the disorder. i mean the ones who don’t treat it like a trend or an accessory. the endos that are just trying to be a system because it’s “qUiRkY” are causing harm and i’m allowed to recognise that without dismissing the actual endos out there.
endos trying to steal systempunk only reinforces that all pro-endos do is steal from real systems lol
Let's unpack what's wrong with this ridiculous statement from an anti-endo:
1) "endos trying to steal" first off, endogenic systems are not stealing. Anti-endos think they own the rights to the word "system" sorry, they don't. No one does.
2) "systempunk" has devolved into a space full of hate and bashing endogenic systems and those who support them. Nobody with an actual brain that pays attention wants to associate being punk with being HATEFUL. Punks don't hate people. Being anti-endo is not and never will be punk, okay?
3) "that all pro-endos do is steal from real systems" this phrasing right here implies that pro-endo traumagenic/DID/OSDD systems aren't real systems because they don't hate other plurals who's existence wasn't initialized by trauma. How are you going to sit here and FAKECLAIM other trauma survivors who don't agree with you being hateful by saying this? How does that look?
Every day anti-endos prove to us more and more that they're a hate group. Oh, and they love to project their actions. They're the ones doing the harm here.
Anti-endos stop harming the plural community challenge: IMPOSSIBLE
let’s unpack what’s wrong with this
1.) “‘endos are trying to steal,’ first off, endogenic systems are not stealing. Anti-endos think they own the rights to the word “system” sorry, they don’t. no one does” while yes i agree, no one “owns” the word/phrase “system” that was not the context of the phrase “endos are trying to steal”, the whole post is about a tag that was made FOR traumagenic systems that was immediately overrun by endos
2.) “‘systempunk’ has devolved into a space full of hate and bashing endogenic systems and those who support them. Nobody with and actual brain that pays attention wants to associate being punk with being HATEFUL. Being anti-endo is not, and never will be punk, okay?” maybe the problem is that system tags were overrun with endo systems, some traumagenic systems (anti-endo or not) said “hey, we want a tag to ourselves where we don’t have to be around people who we either don’t agree with or we’re just straight up tired of seeing” and endos SAW that tag and went “oh a space made specifically for traumagenic systems? we want in!” despite the fact the tag ISNT FOR THEM. i cant talk about the whole punk argument and i wont even try because i don’t know ab it, but i can say that traumagenic spaces are for traumagenic systems regardless of the name. the point of the tag wasn’t the name, it’s the space.
3) "’that all pro-endos do is steal from real systems’ this phrasing right here implies that pro-endo traumagenic/DID/OSDD systems aren't real systems because they don't hate other plurals who's existence wasn't initialized by trauma. How are you going to sit here and FAKECLAIM other trauma survivors who don't agree with you being hateful by saying this? How does that look?” no, the OP is saying that time and time again endos like to infest spaces that aren’t made for them. they are not fakeclaiming. they are not being hateful. they are stating that endo systems decided a tag that was not made for them was theirs.
4.) “Every day anti-endos prove to us more and more that they're a hate group. Oh, and they love to project their actions. They're the ones doing the harm here.
Anti-endos stop harming the plural community challenge: IMPOSSIBLE” actually you’re the one who’s spreading the hate. you saw this post of someone stating that they didn’t like how a tag made for one group was being used by another group. you took it upon YOURSELF to take this post out of context, put words into OP’s mouth and ultimately were the only one spreading hate.
i try to be as kind as possible and i think some endo systems are completely valid but come one people, the point of the syspunk tag was to be traumagenic safe and endos are ruining it. if endos want to be accepted this is not the way to do it. if you guys want a tag, make a tag, dont use traumagenic system’s tags.
endos trying to steal systempunk only reinforces that all pro-endos do is steal from real systems lol
Let's unpack what's wrong with this ridiculous statement from an anti-endo:
1) "endos trying to steal" first off, endogenic systems are not stealing. Anti-endos think they own the rights to the word "system" sorry, they don't. No one does.
2) "systempunk" has devolved into a space full of hate and bashing endogenic systems and those who support them. Nobody with an actual brain that pays attention wants to associate being punk with being HATEFUL. Punks don't hate people. Being anti-endo is not and never will be punk, okay?
3) "that all pro-endos do is steal from real systems" this phrasing right here implies that pro-endo traumagenic/DID/OSDD systems aren't real systems because they don't hate other plurals who's existence wasn't initialized by trauma. How are you going to sit here and FAKECLAIM other trauma survivors who don't agree with you being hateful by saying this? How does that look?
Every day anti-endos prove to us more and more that they're a hate group. Oh, and they love to project their actions. They're the ones doing the harm here.
Anti-endos stop harming the plural community challenge: IMPOSSIBLE
To all of the complete cowards that are sending this person hate, go and fuck yourself. You come at this system again I am going to come at you with both fists swinging. I work with every fucking infernal you can think of, I am going to be spoused to the infernal of revenge and I am adept at every spell you can image. I am the child of the demon prince Stolas and related to the seven deadly sins, I am the child of Lillith and Lucifer and I will find you and make your life a living hell. If you must send hate at anyone send it at me and I will return it tenfold.
hello everyone! this is a blog inspired by @/pluralhelp, but exclusively for tulpagenic & willogenic related questions
i want to help you with your tulpamancy path!
[pt: i want to help you with your tulpamancy path!]
important notes:
[pt: important notes]
- this is based on my personal experience of many many years. i know a lot, but feel free to rethink my words
- i can't/won't link any resources probably because i simply forgot where to find them. i fell out of the community years ago, and now i'm returning because i see how many new active users are here for this. other followers are very welcome to leave useful links in comments or reblogs
- no, it's not a closed practice
- the only DNI is anti endo. others? as long as you're respectful, you're welcome. please be nice
- i can take some time with answering because i have a job, and getting my second degree meanwhile
- asks with heavy typing quirks without translation will be deleted. i can't understand most of quirks
about me:
[pt: about me]
- collectively we can be called cube! collective pronouns are she/her
- bodily adult
- i use i/we interchangeably, also refer to my headmates as "aspects"
- i am also traumagenic; i have a tulpa, and then i started creating willomates (i personally see difference between those practices)
- english isn't my first language. if i make mistakes, that's okay (i'm learning to be kinder to myself haha). if my mistakes confuse you, feel free to politely ask what i meant (i can struggle with translations)
THIS !! I can NOT stress this enough. OSDDID is not something fun to have, sure it has its positives (positive experiences) But it's still a trauma disorder. I'm tired of seeing radqueers on here saying "fuck you anti radqueers !! I'm gonna form a system becuase I can :3 I want dissociative amnesia ! I want horrifying flashbacks >w< and I want to have split headaches so bad they're crippling! >:3" I wish every radqueer, endo, pro endo, endo neutral a very get well. A very get educated. It hurts to see these types of people refuse to understand how NOT FUCKING FUN these DISORDERS are, which mind you are INVOLUNTARY. You cannot pick and choose having OSDDID.
DID is more than just having parts. Its also,
• amnesia
• confusion
• headaches
• nausea
• repeated childhood trauma
• anxiety
• spikes in fear. Anger. Or shame
• mood swings from parts
• body dysphoria
• depersonalization
• derealization
• self puzzlement
• loss of control
• flashbacks
• dizziness
And more.
DID is not "friends in your head" its traumatic, scary and uncomfortable. Its not fun it's a terrifying TRAUMA BASED disorder. And it should never be romanticized - Vesper
THIS.
Endos arent a part of syspunk bcause ableism isnt punk
bruh fuck vegan alters in a non vegan system
like how dare you you bitch, dont get nauseous while im trying to eat chicken nuggets
i just wanna enjoy my nuggets
we have been told by our stepmother that we will no longer receive gifts for the holidays after this year and now in true us fashion our littles want to riot
so any systems have some ideas for how to celebrate the holidays for the child parts? im thinking i might make a post of ideas later
ofc we meme the shit out of it. doesnt mean the disorder's fun. and it doesnt need to be. its a shit disorder thats literally from needing to survive a shitty situation. its doing its job.
and yes it is part of your identity but it is not an identity. its not like a gender or sexuality. its like having brown hair or green eyes. simply a defining characteristic of your identity.
why tf do endos treat being a system like its an identity that you can pick and choose to label? why do they constantly push the transphobic rhetoric of using "traumascum" to refer to traumatized individuals that just dont want people to treat their symptoms like its fun?
being plural/being a system is nothing like being lgbtq+ and i really think we need to stop treating it as such
yes we are a community, but this community is one formed on the basis of being traumatized as kids, its not based on something we choose to refer to ourselves as
we need to be there to support each other but not blindly. we need to help spread information to others with the symptoms so they can receive help.
you wouldnt treat people with personality disorders the way you treat systems so why is it acceptable to treat systems this way?
To be systempunk is to be critical of misinformation even in our own community, so I'll post my own two cents: hot take that should be "hot" as lukewarm water, but sysmeds don't exist.
"Sysmeds" are just people with DID/OSDD. In order to develop DID/OSDD you need to have experienced repetitive childhood trauma while on a certain age rage, be predisposed to dissociation as a coping mechanism and on top of all of that to be disconnected (this term can mean emotionally and/or physically) from your primary caregivers. If you haven't met any of the many levels of those criterias and you still claim to be a system, then you are not. This is a traumagenic disorder that has many comorbidities with other disorders, such as C-PTSD.
I do not care one bit if this post will send so called mixed origins "systems" down a spiral, do us a favour and stop with the blatant bastardization of terms related to actual medical misinformation such as transmedicalism. - 🏹🌿
ramcoa is very different than the satanic panic and all the examples that were listed are examples of ramcoa experiences. ritual abuse, mind control, and organized abuse exist and accepting that youre a victim of parts of it and have specific aspects and triggers because of it is valid.
literally stfu and educate yourself before blabbering all over the internet
how are you an adult and still think RAMCOA is a conspiracy theory? how sheltered are you? have you really next heard of sex trafficking, Mormons, jehova's witnesses, child csem groups... like genuinely. how sheltered can you be
i don't know how to tell you this, but none of these are examples of RAMCOA. as a theory, RAMCOA piggybacks off SRA (satanic ritual abuse) and the satanic panic of the 1980s, as well as things like project monarch with their at best pseudoscientific view of dissociative disorders. everything you mentioned is real (i have actually experienced one of these, so thanks for calling me sheltered BTW), i am specifically referring to RAMCOA as a concept.
if you are old enough to have either lived through the satanic panic, or experience its after effects firsthand, you should be able to tell that RAMCOA as a theory is no different than the satanic panic, Qanon, or any other conspiracy theory.
friendly reminder RAMCOA is real and exists. there are plenty of systems out there who have suffered this abuse and live their lives with the consequences.
i just think people need to remember them sometimes because they deserve to be acknowledged and feel seen too.
endos are all about not invading other community's spaces until it comes to traumatized systems that just want a place to post about themselves without endos
truly pissed off by endos trying to take over system punk
guys the tag was literally made for DID/OSDD/CDD FOLKS ONLY PLEASE STAY AWAY FROM IT!!!! you already have pluralpink why the fuck do you need to steal ours now??? istg it's not funny anymore how you whine about being excluded everywhere and having nowhere to go MEANWHILE YOU LITERALLY STEAL OUR SPACES and invade every single trauma survivors tag!!!!
if you want to be respected for what you are, STOP TAKING TERMS AND TAGS THAT ARE NOT YOURS. MAKE YOUR OWN